Welcome to Church Chat, the show where we have the conversations about ministry you wish we were having. Today Josh and Emily are joined by Deb Hinkel, Director of Spiritual Formation and Family Ministry at Hershey Free! They talk about how to navigate glass ceilings and sticky floors as a woman in ministry, developing a thick skin, chauvinism hiding behind theology, establishing healthy boundaries in a co-ed environment, creating church cultures where the expectation is that women will contribute, and paradigm shifts that need to happen for women in leadership.